Hi again!

Well, I have explored a bit, and these are my findings:
ALIGN and UCS change+ROTATE work exactly the same, provided that:
- when you change UCS (set "Z axis" as you explained), you have to return to 2D view, and then ROTATE.
If you ROTATE from orthogonal view, you get this: (A MISTAKE!!!)

But, if you ROTATE from 2D view, you get correct rotation:
i.e. Nevertheless, when I work in 3D I like to do all commands from 3D view. Why? Because, if I work from 2D, I can not see all the lines, I don't know what am I clicking (front or a back line), and I often make mistakes. This is why I would always choose to avoid 2D commands in 3D space.

Therefore, I recommend using ALIGN UNTIL SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS FIX ROTATE3D+Reference!!!

Many regards to you all,
AleX
P.S. For some reason, I can not attach the DWG (ZIP) file. I will post it in following message, so everybody can check where the problem is.

And here is the DWG file, as I promissed.

SPirou4D wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:53 am

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First: creation of the new UCS :
1 : Order for UCS in red !

2nd : Definition of the rotation axe with the 3D rotation command:
2 : Order for rotation axe in bleu !

3st: creation of the reference angle with the reference parameter :
3 : Order for Reference of angle in green !

Thank you, Patrick.

sanches wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:28 pm

And here is the DWG file, as I promissed.

I tested your file and my 3D rotation work fine too.

You must verify the perpendicularity of your green plan because I find a little difference.
Take attention to the contact' points between your plan and the side of rotation.

If you ROTATE from orthogonal view, you get this:

Draw a construction line as rotation axe and when you create the UCS, choose this line.

Thank you, Patrick.

I hope you are fine Quan!
Best Regards.
Patrick

Developers QA retested this specific feature and they claim it works similar to Autodesk AutoCAD.
Thank you for the feedback.

It is command ALIGN. It works both in 2D and 3D.

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Please, Aleksandra could you explain how you use this ALIGN function because I use the Align button here:
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In fact in your video you don't make a rotation, just a slip, no?

CMS Inc wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:41 am

Developers QA retested this specific feature and they claim it works similar to Autodesk AutoCAD.
Thank you for the feedback.

Hi CMS Team!

Thank you for following us on this forum.
We tested the specific feature (Rotate3D+ Reference) and it DOES NOT WORK similar to Autodesk and we do not know how it works.
To resolve this issue, please ask software developers to respond to my initial query in this Topic:

"Could anyone assist me with the following queries?
- offered "Reference Angle" is 0 - what should I click?
- what does "second point" stand for?
- what does "new angle" stand for?"

Many regards,
Aleksandra

SPirou4D wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2025 1:22 pm

It is command ALIGN. It works both in 2D and 3D.

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Please, Aleksandra could you explain how you use this ALIGN function because I use the Align button here:
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In fact in your video you don't make a rotation, just a slip, no?

Hi Patrick!

I use CAD software as of '90s, so I TYPE commands with my left hand and I use mouse with my right.
I just typed "ALIGN". The plane did rotate, around green axis.

I never tried that in AutoCAD, I just saw this in one of the tutorials posted on CMS site.
ALIGN command does rotate, but you have to set "destination" points first. Just like any other command with REFERENCE points. You need a reference (destination) points defined, prior to rotation/align.

I hope this helped. Please, ask if you are still uncertain.

Many regards,
Alex

I use CAD software as of '90s, so I TYPE commands with my left hand and I use mouse with my right.
I just typed "ALIGN". The plane did rotate, around green axis.

Yes me too !

I never tried that in AutoCAD, I just saw this in one of the tutorials posted on CMS site.
ALIGN command does rotate, but you have to set "destination" points first. Just like any other command with REFERENCE points. You need a reference (destination) points defined, prior to rotation/align.

I hope this helped.

No

I tested what you explain but I can't in IntellliCAD v13.1 !
When I use firts 3Drotation I select the green plane and then the axe of rotation with 2 points
But there iof I type Align in command line I can't ???? because 3Drotation ask me References or click !

Hi Patrick...
"When I use firts 3Drotation I select the green plane and then the axe of rotation with 2 points"

Try to click the axis in following manner:
Each of two points that define axis click two times.
This way you "say" to the Software "keep these two points on axis, where they are"

And then click the point on the green plane ONCE, and then click ONCE the point on blue plane.

This way, you did rotation around one side of the green plane, i.e. the axis.

Please let me know if you succeeded.
Alex

P.S. I use IntelliCAD 13.1 as well.
This ALIGN function is similar to ROTATE3D+Reference, and it is a little bit more complicated (you need to prepare some additional auxiliary lines and it requires more clicking!), but we can use it until CMS Team decides to share the information with us on how ROTATE3D command actually works.

Ha YES you use ALIGN as rotation ! You don't use ALIGN and 3DROTATION both.
ok i did it
Same as this vid
https://www.intellicadms.com/download/f ... and-rotate

But this method is very very uncertain I mean !!! Because the axe of rotation there must be on the XY plane so that the first and second (origin/destination) couples are on this XY plane !
BUT when you are in space you must displace your UCS....

I fount this command here:
https://www.intellicadms.com/download/f ... 3d-editing
At 09:35...

I think it should be precise, but I will have to check a bit more (through practice)...

Yes Aleksandra It's exactly the use of _ALIGN in 3D space and then _SUBTRACTION to cut shapes .

_ALIGN use 3 points to determine one plane (the first point is always the centering point et the rest of points are the pasting plane.